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China’s human rights record came under attack yesterday as President Bush condemned the Government for oppressing its people.
With the eyes of the world on China, and heads of state flying in for the opening ceremony at the Bird’s Nest stadium this evening, Mr Bush used some of his toughest language yet to press China to allow its citizens more freedom. Speaking in Bangkok only hours before his arrival in Beijing, he said: “America stands in firm opposition to China’s detention of political dissidents and human rights advocates and religious activists. We press for openness and justice — not to impose our beliefs but to allow the Chinese people to express theirs.”
The remarks were a sharp reminder of the many abuses that are still reported in China, seven years after the promise it gave to the International Olympic Committee that it would take the opportunity of hosting the Games to improve its record on human rights.
China’s 1.3 billion people enjoy far greater personal freedom than they did even a decade ago, with greater rights to move to other parts of the country, to seek jobs nationwide and even to speak their minds in internet chat forums. However, the limits are starkly defined, with activists detained, monitored or jailed for challenging the Communist Party leadership or implicitly criticising its policies.
The latest such example involved a young teacher from Sichuan province who was ordered last month to serve one year of “re-education through labour” — a non-judicial punishment that can be imposed by the police — for distributing on the internet photographs of schools that crumbled in the May earthquake.
Mr Bush, in his last major presidential policy speech in Asia, said: “The United States believes the people of China deserve the fundamental liberty that is the natural right of all human beings.” Qin Gang, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, countered: “The Chinese Government puts people first, and is dedicated to maintaining and promoting its citizens’ basic rights and freedom. Chinese citizens have freedom of religion. These are indisputable facts.”
But Beijing police again demonstrated the limits yesterday when plainclothes officers dragged away three American Christian activists who tried to stage a demonstration for religious freedom for a second day in front of the Mao Zedong Mausoleum on Tiananmen Square. Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defence Coalition, said: “We have come here today to speak out against the human rights abuses of the Chinese Government. We have come here today to be a voice to those who are in prison because of their religious beliefs.”
China has stepped up security after a series of protests and a terror attack this week in the Muslim region of Xinjiang, in the north west of the country. A video attributed to the Xinjiang-based Turkistan Islamic Party yesterday showed images of the Olympic logo in flames and an explosion over the Olympic venues.
The choice by the US team of a former refugee from violence in Darfur to carry the flag at the Olympic opening ceremony has turned the spotlight on China’s policy on the Sudanese region. The decision to nominate Lopez Lomong, a Sudan-born 1,500m track star, will add a touch of political drama to the opening ceremony.
Liu Xiaobo, a Chinese dissident who was jailed for his role in the 1989 demonstrations in Tiananmen Square, said China’s leaders were likely to be sanguine about Mr Bush’s comments.
Given Mr Bush’s decision to stay in Beijing until Monday to watch some basketball games, Mr Liu said: “This is probably as much as he can say, since he is coming.”
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At least the public get to hear about HR abuses in/by the US thru the freedom of the press & the media, whereas one gets the impression that in China the aim is to present the State as infallible & with cover up of HR abuses & I've yet to read the ominously titled,"China's Psychiatric Inquisition".
Joan Moira Peters, Whangarei UK Citizen, temp o/seas in New Zealand
I think Bush needs to stop trying to save the world and focus on the USA before he gets us into more trouble and more countries hate us. We have so many problems to fix here but he is not doing anything about them.
I don't see other presidents trying to fix our failing health care system...ect...
Helen, New york,
China should not holding the Olympics at all.
They support pernicious regimes like ZANU in Zimbabwe, and they execute people for spurious reasons and deny their people basic human rights.
The Chinese people deserve a better government and the world deserves a more appropriate Olympic venue.
Adrian, London, UK
I don't disagree with what Bush said about China
I do think that the mess caused by the US/UK invasion in Iraq weakens his moral authority when it comes to preaching to other countries
However excusing a countries faults by pointing at another country & saying 'you've done worse' is pretty purile
Mike, Nottm, UK
My wife and I will not be watching the event out of protest against China's human rights record.
ian payne, walsall,
George Bush should first examine his own record of torture at Gitmo, at Abu Ghraib, and his Shock and Awe bombing of Iraq before wagging his tongue against China. China has nothing to learn from this Texas cowboy.
Robert Li
Robert Li, Stouffville, Canada
Yes, Bush clearly is hypocritical to some degree (Guantánamo is a disgrace) but that doesn't make what he said about China wrong. Chinese methods should be exposed and criticised. If it wants to consider itself in the big league it will have to get used to it.
Gavin, Madrid,
John, NYC
But Iraq wasn't really about liberating a people was it really? It's funny how we pick and choose regimes. Perhaps George should liberate the Saudis as part of your moral crusade as well then...
ian, Bradford, UK
Free speech, political dissent and religious freedom are upheld by U. S. law. Olympics host nations are always under scrutiny...not just from the US, but from the rest of the world. If China wants their respect, it will have to earn it by ending the suppression of its people
Alana, Illinois, USA
First I must say the Beijing Olympic Games is a SPORTS MEETING, not a conference of the UN. It's ridiculous to politicalize a sports meeting. In contrast, the Olympic Games is a chance through which people from different cultures and countries can eliminate misapprehensions of each other.
Charlie, ShenZhen, China PR
Bush and Americans should keep their mouth shut on human rights
"people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"
America in modern times has shown a marked disregard for the human rights of their own citizens and the citizens of the world
Neil Gray, Brisbane, Australia
As one invited to a party, our American guest should at least show the host some politeness and not air his ill breeding.
San Ying, Montreal, Canada
What if Chinese dignitaries go to the U.S. and openly criticize the U.S. for its numerous ill and unfair treatment of certain American citizens, e.g. Black Americans, Native American Indians, Japanese, etc.?
The U.S. government would say: Our internal affairs are none of your business.
b dewey, Wantagh,
you cann't publish any article noting how corupt the gov is, if do you will be "invited" to police station. the only you can say on online forum is how powerful China is now, gov is incorruptible. lavish Olympic while many many children are studying in tumbledown classrooms in remote area
frank, guangzhou, China
FYI, "re-education through labor" IS a judical punishment and has to be sentenced by court before carried out.
Yunshen, GZ,
Bush is simply not qualified to speak for repect of human rights.
Leung, Hong Kong, China
Each country has its own culture.Bush said that Chinese gov. had limited too much, but what about the western coutries?I think they interfered too much.As a student in BJ,I think our goverment had done very well.I'm really shocked by article when I first read it,for it's really far from the truth!
Liu, Beijing, China
farmers know if they are enjoying human rights or not in China most of which are taking a salary less than 150usd/month
daniel, China,
Oh good golly, how embarassing for him to speak up for human rights while he is the recognized "Warden in Chief" of Gitmo. Somebody tell me I'm having a bad dream or an election year. LoL!
Christopher Millsap, Oklahoma City, USA
Most people who are talking about the human rights issue with China are referring to the Chinese destruction of Tibet. The country and its people have suffered horrendously at the hands of the Chinese. China needs to own up to and rectify the situation to show the world they care about human rights.
LD, Preston, UK
Mr Bush´´s comments come from the same mouth that told the world that IRAQ had weapons of mass destruction when he had information that suggested otherwise. This president has no credability as leader. He is attending the Olympics which is not a political event or has he not realised that yet.
Jim Wills, Brisbane, Australia
You can get pretty much any information you want in China? Why is that lady going for a year's worth of re-education for showing school pictures then?
You lefties have become so crazy about Bush that you''ve lost perspective on this issue.
Scott, Allen, USA
Boycotting the event for political reasons would be "politicizing the Olympics." Bush is not doing that, as Carter did.
Bush was right to make his statement at this time, because the oppressive Red Chinese government will try to spin his attendance at the opening as approval of their regime.
King Alexander, Lake Charles, USA
I live in a country where you can be arrested for reading out a list of names,where 300 CCTV cameras a day track your movements,a country that condones torture and detention without trial,a country that wants to detain citizens without evidence for longer and longer. I live in Great (ha!) Britain.
Catherine Saumarez, London,
Here in the west it is expected that people that come as refugees to respect the laws of the country the live in. Why can´t people in the west respect the laws of countries they visit? In this case China.
Gerry, Hereford, UK
China wont care what Bush says, his actions speak louder then words. Torture, indefinate detaining of prisoners, supporting sanctions that just crush the people of a country not their gov, invading a country that never attacked us (the terrorists were mostly from Saudi) all without dec. of war
Michael, phoenix, USA
USA have not liberated anyone. They just removed a regime to replace it with another. That is the case in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Gerry, Hereford, UK
Many of my Chinese Christian Brothers and Sisters are persecuted, jailed and tortured in China for their beliefs.
www.prisoneralert.com
Roger, Monterey,
The Olympics are about SPORTS and NOT politics: It is a big mistake to try to politicize this event which has so much potential for building bridges of frienship and understanding among peoples. After all: that was the purpose and premise under which the games were established!!!!
Garth Strong, Houston, USA
Bush has liberated 50 million muslims from two of the most depraved tyrannies in human history, and you wankers call him a tyrant and war criminal. If it was up to you, Saddam would still be feeding people into shredders, and the Taliban would be publicly executing women for leaving the house alone
Harry MacDougald, Atlanta, United States of America
Jeremy, The vast majority of people in Gitmo have not been formally charged with anything. Also, quite a few of the detainees in Gitmo were fingered by our local Afghan proxies as being 'terrorists". Not because they had actually been picked up on a battlefield. Please be careful in future comments.
Stephen Wynne, Columbus, OH, USA
...and as is predictable, a leftist will take the chi-com's side instead of an American president. Why am i not surprised? I know they probably secretly admire the commies. They love 'ol Hugo Chavez, who is gathering absolute power to himself in "presidential orders". Kind of power they'd like.
Deane, Highland, USA
Jason, you had obviously drank the koolaid.
Better change the foil in your hat before the brown shirts come to get you.
Mark, Charlotte, USA
we chinese own human rights now!we are now a developing country, so there are a lot of work to do,and it takes time. All the people who having been criticing China, I want to ask :have you come to China ? where do you get your information ? After all our cultures are so different !
chole, guangzhou, China
Hold on now, Isn't Bush/Clinton/Obama and the rest of the Globalist responsible for tearing open our borders to cheap Chinese kraq and a NAFTA superhighway to distribute MORe cheap Chinese kraq? How can you condemn a nation while letting in all it's cheap kraq and undermining US manufacturing?
mauricio, ely, usa
Jason, Lawrence, KS, USA - you suggest it's OK to torture/imprison without trial "terrorists" as "they do not follow convention themselves i.e. decapitation, rape"
However, if a US citizen kills, decapitates, rapes they ARE given rights/lawyers.
Yet you give a military "trial" to a driver !
Clive, Surrey,
the three religious protestors that were just put away in China are not plotting to kill, kidnap, behead, and otherwise terrorize. The US only detains non-US citizens carged with being involved in active terrorism against US Citizens. They are not protected by the US Constitution.
jeremy, Surprise, United States of America
Ian,
Come on, who on the left has liberated a population? Chavez liberated a few Colombian hostages but for what gain.....
John, NYC, US
Guantanamo Bay, Are you kidding me? 1st of all, enemy combatants rights aren't preserved in the U.S. Constitution nor recourse against detainment according to the Geneva Convention since they do not follow convention themselves i.e. decapitation, rape. Comparing terrorists to innocent civis? Please!
Jason, Lawrence, KS, USA
I agree with what was said before. Regardless of whether or not people like President Bush, they should be willing to get behind him when he is doing something that is admirable. It gets ridiculous how much people love to hate President Bush and the US. Some hate us no matter what we do.
Ben Horner, Georgia, USA
Oh, bless you Bob of Toronto. Perhaps the most naive comments of the day!
ian, Bradford,
Politicians are puppies on the stage, and the real power behind is economic and political interests.
Politicians HAVE TO follow the demands from "interests".
Interests control world. Bush and Blair have to wage war to Iraq even they personally do not want to. They are also slaves of job.
Gary, Derby,
OLive - no doubt many chinese r rightly proud of what they and their country are achieving. There is definitely an element of the brainwashed too. I am not saying it colors everything but there is an element of it. For example, try discussing Taiwan - see if they can see both points of view......
Adam, Edinburgh, UK
Here in Korea, where all the Western China-bashing propaganda is simply ignored, we will be watching the Games with all the interest. Go Asia go!
Mark Langley, Seoul, Asia
Does no one remember the Taliban or Saddam? Bush has freed more people, done more for combatting Aids than any do nothing, talk a lot Euro. I can't think there is a single person liberated by any leftist in the history of the world.
Bob, Toronto, Canada
I find it hard to think of a nation that's not complicit in one way or another in human rights abuses... International politics is full of hypocrites.
That doesn't mean China shouldn't be criticised, oppression (including that of our own govts and allies) has to be challenged wherever it exists.
Simon, London,
I am a bit bemused by much of the comments. If I took pictures of a porrly built fallen-down school in the States I wouldn't go to Guantanamo Bay, however I would be "re-educated" in China.
What these Pro-China style democracy people saying - that "re-education" is like a free MA?
Simon, London,
President Bush is the hero of free people everywhere, Jesus shines the light of truth and justice into the darkest corners and the Prophet Bush takes it upon his shoulders to do Gods work. Long Live the Crusade. C&R
mark spencer, london, uk
What is he trying to prove?
alex, Bristol, uk
These Olympics are an international disgrace to the whole Olympic ideal. The only close precedent in Berlin 36, and at least then the decision to hold the Olympics in Germany took place under a democratic government. Turn your TVs off.
Gerhard Schmidt, Berlin, Germany
We no longer have freedom of assembly or protest here! Maybe Bush should give Gordon a call to discuss his 42 day rule.
Ian, Bradford,
America Cant tell china what to do when they are holding prisoners with out charge for years and forcing water down there throats to get answers. come on is you arreset some one then you should have good cause, these are mickey mouse prisoners
else there would be the evidence that they were guilty.
paul, Highams Park, England
Guy, London and other guys mentioning about labour Camp:
it is funny for you to talk about such stuff, as if you were still living in 50 years ago?!! Labour camp happened in 1960s...
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OLive, London,
For many decades the Chinese have been responsible for human rights abuses. However Guantanomo is shocking because it's very existence marks the recent descent of the US into human-rights abuses and torture.
What should stop Hu Jintao turning round to Bush and saying: "Welcome to the club!" ?
Phil, Epsom, England
What is human rights? Bush government invaded Iraq and held people in guantamo with trial. These are real human rights issues!!!
Elizabeth , Greater manchester, UK
Can britons do some very simple logical analysis? If china's human rights is really that bad, why so many chinese are so proud of their lives and achievement, and support their govt so much, especially young educated chinese elites?? Are they all brainwashed, fools? or some wrong perceptions of us?
OLive, London,
guantanamo bay, there they have the best human rights possible, don't they? also everyone in death row or just those USA citizens that are not completely white, let's ask them about their human rights....
luis, GALWAY, ireland.
Why does the Chinese authority arrest the campaigners? Images some Chinese journalists come to UK to investigate pensioners who have to choose between eat or keep warm in this winter. What would the UK government do? Poverty is a bigger human rights issue than freedom of speach or religion.
Elizabeth, Greater Manchester, UK
As for press freedom in China you can pretty much get anything information you want from different sources.
As for internet censorship - most of this regards indecent pornography . WHY is this NEVER mentioned in the Western press. If this happened in Uk it wil be hailed as a positive move.
David, Reading, Uk
People should stop criticising Bush when he is actually doing something worthwhile. Fair enough he is no saint, but whether you disagree with what he has done or not, there is no need to bring it up at every occasion!
Mark, London,
'The Americans detain suspected killers.' And how long before you produce evidence?
Mr Bush has no right to comment on human rights abuses. He has shown himself to be one of the most agressive leaders in US history. The cost of his attitude is being felt by the people he is sworn to protect.
Philip Jones, Frangy, France
More astounding hypocracy from the leader of a country that makes its business the destruction of other nations, is up to its eyeballs in the blood of the innocent & shows no respect for the rights of others or international law. Shame on warcriminal Bush, he should 1st get his own house in order
steve, windhoek, Namibia
Well this is really rich coming from the archdeacon of human rights abuses.
D McGregor, St Mawes, UK
What a shocking level of hypocracy. Bush and his cronies including Tony Blair label what they want, how they want it - when it suits then. Note: Afghan mujahideen are now taliban and terrorists/insurgents etc. China is bad - but so is US for going to war illegally killing thousands of innocents
Terry, London, UK
I'm chinese, 21. We have multiple ways to get information we need and make any judgement according to voices(media) from all over the world. So we know what our country is like, or at least much more than Mr Bush does. And according what he has done, Bush is the last person that has rightto judge us
Patricia, hangzhou, China
Pres Bush was not sure what his pals in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and more were doing? Add China to the list!
One question: does Pres Bush know what he is talking?
Krishna R. Kumar, Udupi, India
What human rights? I only see American rights and British rights. The rest all human wrongs.
Rhan, KL, Malaysia
I agree with the point that Tim in Warwick makes. Clearly the Chinese authorities are out of order and must be brought to account for their human rights abuses but with Guantanamo Bay and so called rendition flights its sheer hypocrisy for America to lecture anyone about this.
Vivek, London,
America certainly have lost there moral highground when Civil Liberties and freedom are concerned YET the USA does not have "Re-education Labour Camps" like the Chinese, sending people there for re-programming with any type of trail of court proceedings.
Andrew, Durham, England
The Americans are detaining suspected killers. The Chinese repress everyone. If Tim thinks these are equal I suggest he goes and make some anti-government comments in each country and see which resulting treatment he prefers.
Roger Tilbury, Worthing,
Breathtaking hypocrisy! Having lived in China I know the Chinese won't give a damn about what Bush said, after Iraq and Afghanistan the British and Americans are considered a laughing stock over there. In 20yrs China will be the No1 superpower and like the US has done, they can do what they like.
Richard, Nottingham,
It's hardly apples to apples comparing America to China in terms of human rights, is it?
The worst of what happens in Guantanamo, and what it stands for, is barely a poor imitation of what happens to the bulk of China's population on a daily basis!
This Olympics will certainly go down in history!
Bayad, Liverpool, Britain
I'm sure all the anti-USA lefties will now bang on about US "violations" of human rights
I suggest they ask themselves in which country they would rather be if they wanted to have greater personal freedom, USA or China?
No "re-education" camps, internet censure or state press control in USA
Guy, London, UK
If it was not so serious, it would be funny, given how Mr Bush has no problem locking people up as terrorists, without trial, and yet still says China is the bad guy. Interesting view.
Arthur, Newcastle,
We all know the kind of democracy China has.
Mr Bush is hypocritical and should look in his own back yard for starting an unsolicited war in Iraq. If he thinks he leads the world for freedom and democracy he is mistaken.
James, liverpool, uk
That's the pot calling the kettle black!
Since Guantanamo opened the Americans have lost their right to the 'moral high-ground' when it come to human rights.
tim, warwick,